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iPod coming to Canada
CTV news article here - NorthernThunder (talk) 23:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
How To Clean Up Iphone Video
Official apps not ONLY distributed by App Store
Information about officially distributing apps ONLY by app store is no longer accurate, "ad hoc" method mentioned by Steve Jobs during keynote.
see http://db.tidbits.com/article/9646 "A new distribution method, Ad Hoc, requires developers to register for a certificate that enables them to seed software on up to 100 iPhones. As an example, Jobs cited a computer science professor who could distribute an application to students."
brandon.macuser (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
The iphone can display "full" web pages
- There should be a reliable reference for this statement - both that the iphone can do this, and that many similarly priced phones can't.
- What does full versus simplified mean? A reference would help explain this, of course.
- What mobile phones are lacking this functionality? Again, I would expect a reference to provide this information (e.g., a comparison of smartphones).
Lastly, please discuss this rather than simply reverting everytime without comment. Nor should a request for citations be referred to as "stupid" - please see Wikipedia:Civility. Mdwh (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Now we have the slightly different, but even more POV statement: Unlike almost every other mobile device, the web browser displays complete web pages similar to a desktop web browser and supports zooming by double-tapping the screen.
Almost every other? Regarding the above comments, whilst it may be true that most phones in circulation still only do WAP, the statement would be read as implying it has something that hardly any other phone on the market has. The statement is equivalent to "The Iphone has a feature which old cheap phones don't" - which obviously no longer sounds worth stating.
Consider: would it be okay to say the Iphone has vastly more memory than any other phone, on the basis that the sample includes all phones most of which still only have small amounts of memory? Of course not - these sorts of statements could be made of any new phone. The reader is going to be interesting in how the Iphone compares to other phones on the market, especially similarly priced ones, and does not want to be mislead by comparisons against all the old phones still in circulation.
And I'm not sure what in the reference supports the claim about how the web browser differs from "almost every other mobile device"? Mdwh (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Series vs. one unit
There were a few reverts between JCDenton2052 and KelleyCook about ten minutes ago. The former advocates defining the iPhone as a series of phones; the latter says it's just a phone. I have a hunch the JCDenton2052 is coming from a background of cell phones while KelleyCook is thinking of iPods. I have my own opinion, but I'd like to see you resolve, or at least discuss, this issue peacefully here rather than in warring edit summaries.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 18:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Straw Poll
Lets get down to the nitty gritty:
The article was recently changed[1] to convert the article to refer to the iPhone series instead of an iPhone.
Singular: The second generation iPhone 3G is not being sold along side with the first iPhone which (in the U.S. at least) is no longer available. There really is only one iPhone with some slightly different featuresets. Apples still uses the same url for their website: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html and doesn't have a page for the superceded model. For a mindset issue, I don't come from an iPod background, nor do I even own an iPhone. I actually come from the mindset that the iPhone is much more than a phone, it is a mobile communications/internet device. What makes users of iPhone rave has nothing to do with technical specs, it has everything to do with how it has actually changed the way they perform their daily routines. Therefore an iPhone is an iPhone is an iPhone. -- KelleyCook (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Singular: The argument that other stuff exists is not valid. Forget imitating what editors have done in other articles and focus on doing this one correctly. Comparing the 3G iPhone and the older one, there are so few differences that having two articles is going to result in either one of them being a stub, or a large duplication of information. The 3G should have a section in the iPhone article, not its own article. -- Atamachat 15:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Singular (Cingular?): What User:Atama said. - Denimadept (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Plural Singular is just too confusing for readers since there are two distinct models. JCDenton2052 (talk) 16:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Singular as roughly 90-percent of both iPhone models are the same. Seriously - it won't end up being huge article, or confusing to the reader. As I've mentioned before, use the iPhone OS article to cover the software aspects, and that should leave the iPhone article less bloated. Groink (talk) 21:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Battery capacity
"When the battery reaches only 80 percent capacity, based on the original estimates, it would be rated for approximately 5.6 hours of video, 4.8 hours of web browsing, 6.4 hours of talk time, or 19.2 hours of music playing, depending on configuration." Does anyone have a source for this? I doubt the accuracy of the calculation. With 80 percent capacity it doesn't necessarily mean that it would be able to do 80% of what a 100 percent capacity battery could do. As far as I know, you need at least a certain percentage of energy in the battery to be able to do anything at all. That is, a battery may be useless below, say, 40 percent capacity. The ratio would be 3:2 instead of 5:4 in this assumption. 202.40.139.170 (talk) 14:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Bluetooth
The article lists 'bluetooth 2.0 + EDR' as a feature of the phone. That is correct. On the other hand, it doesn't mention the profiles supported. I think the list of profiles is noteworthy because it is very unusual: the original iPhone only supports HSP and HFP. I'm not saying this is good or bad - but there is no other phone like this so it is worth noting.
When we find out what profiles the iPhone3G supports this information should be added to the article. I would add it now but I don't have this information yet. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwavel (talk o contribs) 18:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Picture Quality
Alright, notwithstanding the discussion about the copyright status of the pictures, the current banner picture is nowhere near the quality that we need to be leading off an article like this. I don't mean to offend, but really, we should still maintain a reasonable standard for these things.
I'm not uploading a replacement and getting thrust into the copyright debate (again), as I have had at least 2 get deleted and replaced with much poorer substitutes already, but come on folks, we've got to do better than this. - ??ø???? ( ???? o ¢??+?¡?s ) 18:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
(Unident) There is no way that is a real iPhone image, Dennin. We need a photo so people know what an iPhone actually looks like. -- Atamachat 20:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Cleanup required
This article requires some serious cleanup. I'd do it myself, but someone decided to lock it like it was a controversial issue. Is it? It's not exactly great either.
The opening paragraph states:
The iPhone was initially introduced in the United States on June 29, 2007 followed by numerous other countries.
That's not very wikipedish. What "other countries"? Why numerous? Are they really numerous? The provided map of availability claims it's available in 6 (six) countries and announced in just above 30 others (out of over 200 countries there are). This is anything but numerous.
The Features section starts with a stupid sentence:
The iPhone allows (blah, blah) and integration with other cellular network features and iPhone functions.
iPhone has features compatilble with iPhone's features. Shocking.
The same section includes another nice sentence:
A ringtone feature was introduced in the United States on September 5, 2007, but is not yet available in all countries where the iPhone has been released.
A major showstopper for me. ;-) Please, have anyone ever heard about a phone, let alone a mobile phone, without a rigntone?
The Multimedia subsection contains a recurring phrase "previous iPods" in reference to iPhone. As the opening section suggests, iPhone is not an iPod, but a mobile phone with iPod functionality.
The Others subsection has on opening sentence that is unreadable. It would greatly benefit from rephrasing into something like that:
The iPhone features a built in 2.0 megapixel camera located on the back for still digital photos. It has no optical zoom, flash or autofocus, and does not support video recording.
The Battery subsection states:
Apple's site says that the battery life "is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity after 400 full charge and discharge cycles", which turns out to be the same as for the iPod batteries.
According to the first part of the sentence, it does not "turn out to be" but rather "is supposed to be".
I'm sure there are other blunders, so please read it and post any suggestions you might have.
-- Llewelyn MT (talk) 14:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
iPhone 3G
Should there be a new article for this or somehow incorporated into this? I personally believe it should be a new article. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
<-I strongly disagree with your protection of that article and ask that you unprotect it. I am unsure of how your protection fits in you our protection policy. Let consensus determine then sort it out from there. I dont want to wheel war so I kindly ask that you unprotect it. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
<-BTW, there appears to be the emergence (albeit early to judge completley) of a consensus for separate articles atWikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/3g_iphone. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Does no one else know that the iPhone 3G is a different product to the iPhone? We (wikipedia) have a different page for every iteration of the iPods and Macs. Keep inline with the rest of your articles please. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.175.206 (talk) 16:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Merged from Talk:iPhone 3G
AFD
3G iPhone is official now: see the apple store. I think the question now is, do we want a new 3G page, or do we merge it in with the current [iPhone] article? Darkmeerkat (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now it's official. I'm making an executive decision to add everything to iPhone.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 19:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I think this article should be kept separate and written accordingly for the iPhone 3G and they should be referenced from an appropriate disambiguation page. --Kariudosan (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be a iPhone 1 and an iphone 2 page --142.177.155.169 (talk) 20:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)--142.177.155.169 (talk) 20:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Price?
Why don't we show the price, it is a very important reason why the new iphone is being so talked about.Camilo Sanchez (talk) 20:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
For this product, the price is very complicated. Not only do you have to consider the plans, but there are also a lot of hidden costs. For example, firmware upgrades have a cost, which is very unusual. So, either cover it fully, or don't get into it at all. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwavel (talk o contribs) 18:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Improvements??
I wouldn't call "a thicker body, a black plastic back (instead of silver) or white option with a 16Gb iPhone" improvements.84.66.51.191 (talk) 21:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Thicker
The iPhone is 11.6mm thick. The iPhone 3G is 12.3mm thick. Thank you. JCDenton2052 (talk) 21:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Talk about spliting hairs, 0.7mm diffrence! --Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.102.146.38 (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Cool new features
this kind of writing is not very wikipedia-like. --neolandes 22:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Balanced view point on the Iphones gross defeciencies
The apples hyped 3g iphone does not support 3g features which are standard and which people expect such as 3g video calls, video recording. It is important to state that the Iphone despite its hype and high price tag does not support such features for the benefit of the reader, as otherwise a notneutral point of view is given.
The main people who remove the lack of standard 3g features of the iphone are Appples fanboys probably and I request them to leave the unsupported features there.
I live in Sri Lanka, A poor third world country, I use the cheapest 3g phone the LG KU250, which is about 100 US$. But it supports 3g video calls, video recording, MMS, A2DP etc. People should know that the much hyped iphone 3g, just is a plain iphone with added 3g support for faster data rates and with not much 3g features in it.Kerr avon (talk) 03:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Lead image.
Sort of continuing on some of the ideas of Talk:IPhone#Picture Quality.
Could we decide as to what our lead image will be? Will we use:
- IPhone Black BG.JPG
- IPhone Home.png, or
- other..?
Currently at Flickr there are posts about getting a free image for this article. [3][4] If that succeeds then we should have a pretty good image to head the article up.
Otherwise, if we are going to use a non-free image why don't we use the best quality image that we are able to obtain -- one directly from Apple. No offence to Aido2002, but the IPhone Home.png is a better photo.
Thanks, Monkeyblue 22:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I just want to point out that a while back, I spent 3 or 4 hours one night setting up and taking a bunch of pictures of my iPhone, expressly to get a good one to use here on Wikipedia. Arguments like these led to its being tagged as fair use, then it was orphaned for a horribly ugly one of a powered off phone, and it was deleted. You can rest assured that I won't put that sort of effort into this or any article again. Its something you might want to keep in mine while you argue back and forth about copyright minutiae (such as the interface being included preventing the image from being licenses as the photographer wishes, never heard of that before drama on this article) that none of us are really qualified to pass judgements on. - ??ø???? ( ???? o ¢??+?¡?s ) 18:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Change Main Image
For the main image is it really necessary to show 3 iPhones right next to each other? There's no differences easily noticeable and the quality is terrible. Google displays the iPhone wiki page first in a simple "iPhone" search and I think it would be a good idea to show the user an image that displays the phone clearer. An example of this is Blackberry's image for their Storm. Pardthemonster (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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